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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Dec 11, 2008 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forum Members v. William Tell AND Cliff

I'll admit that I pass on a lot of the catalog, voluntarily.
I just don't care for most of the post-retirement "new" material.Althea and Standing On The Moon are notable exceptions.I never cared for Foolish Heart, and there isn't one Brent tune that doesn't make me cringe.But that's just me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 11, 2008 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forum Members v. William Tell AND Cliff

So, answering my own question, in a random, singular way, here is a set list from 82 (I think, I just grabbed it from the "TJI" listing above):

"Set 1

Bertha ->
Greatest Story Ever Told
Friend Of The Devil
Me And My Uncle ->
Big River
Bird Song ->
C C Rider
Althea
Looks Like Rain
Might As Well

Set 2

Playing In The Band ->
Uncle John's Band ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Wheel ->
Playing In The Band ->
Black Peter ->
Sugar Magnolia

Encore
Don't Ease Me In"

I did NOT bias this in any way, I literally just grabbed the first post 80 show and used it to compare, and there you go: I actually "get" virtually ALL these songs in "my" early era...

Interesting. I know there have to be exceptions, but other than covers, I don't think it is actually the case that I am "missing out" on even 50% of their material, and I don't think that even if I only let you guys vote (ie, only folks that like the 70s and 80s), that the number of what you would pick as "best" would leave me out in the cold...

I knew I was doing something right.

Now, suppose you could argue that they did them "better" in 77 or 81, but that is a horse of a different color. And you have Donna to contend with.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 11, 2008 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forum Members v. William Tell AND Cliff

That's fine. I don't like a lot of those tunes either including SOTM.

Here are my exceptions - Blues for Allah, all of that album I like

Estimated, Terrapin
Feel Like a Stranger, Althea
Hell in a Bucket, West LA Fadeaway, Esau
Victim or the Crime ( yeah that's RIGHT ).

BUt your missing my point. These guys don't like anything past 1970 and considering they mainly like 68 and 69 I would say that they mainly like 70 for the Dark Stars/Other Ones etc. So now your talking NONE of the 71 tunes - Bertha, Loser, Playin, NONE of the 72 tunes - BE Women, Ramble On Rose, heck just add them up. The Grateful Dead songwriting canon pretty much began in 70. I'm talking the craft of songwriting not just experimentation and improv. I mean come on, no offense to Hunter but the lyrics to Alligator are pretty damn dumb when you compare them to his later work.

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